OPPT-IN Radio Show March 4/5 Transcript

OPPT-IN Radio Show March 4th- Transcript

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Freedom Reigns/OPPT-IN

Monday March 4, 2013 (EST)/Tuesday March 5, 2013 (AEST)

Lisa:  Hello everyone, this is Lisa Harrison and this is your weekly OPPT-in show.  Your update on all 

things One People's Public Trust. Welcome. We have all the usual suspects on the call. We've got Bob.

Bob: Hello, hello Lisa. 

Lisa: Hello, hello. We've got Chris.

Chris: Hi Lisa.  Hi Bob.  Hi everybody.  Good morning.

Lisa: We've actually got the Bartles from Western Australia on the line as well.

Scott: Hello everyone.

Lisa: Who else have we got?  We've got Brian.

Brian: (Clearing throat and laughing).

Lisa: Yes, ha hum, we've got Brian.

Brian: Hello, hello and greetings to all. 

Lisa: (Music playing in background) And D - ooh where's that coming from?  D...

(All talking at once)

D: (Laughing) That's strange, I don't know where it's coming from.

Lisa: Where's it coming from?

Brian: Minimize your window D.

(All talking at once)

D: Don't look at me guys, the music ain't coming from my side.

Lisa: I'll get this checked.

(Music continues).

Chris: That's coming from the host.

(Music stops)

D: Yeah, it's coming from the host.

Lisa: Ha ha.

D: Hi everyone. 

(Music starts again and everyone laughs)

Chris: Okay, someone at the host end is doing some interesting things there.

(All talking at once)

D: Beautiful elevator music.

Lisa: It's coming from your computer D.

D: It's not!

Lisa: It is, when I unmute you in the Blogtalk that's when I get the music.

D: (Laughing)  I don't know what I've got open. 

Brian: Apparently someone wanted us to have a dance party. 

D: Okay, well I've closed my internet down completely, hold on. 

Lisa: Hopefully we will have Heather join us, but she's had internet issues all day apparently.  We've got a lot to address today though. First things first, what is first. There is a Facebook post we probably should discuss that a gentleman outlines the scenario of a person coming into his car yard with some kind of cheque that he designed himself to buy a two hundred thousand dollar car and when the car yard refused to comply he served a Courtesy Notice on them to charge them fourteen thousand silver coins for not doing so. Now we've all looked at this and we all believe it's actually, what was our word?

Brian: It's a troll.

Lisa: Troll. This gentleman knows an awful lot about the One People's Public Trust.

Chris: And the sovereignty movement and the strawman concepts, etc, etc. Way too knowledgable.

Lisa: Yes, very much so for someone who just happened to be caught on the sidelines by someone walking into his car sales place of work and presented him with some documents he didn't understand. So, yes. But it does bring up the question of what's appropriate use of this Courtesy Notice. Something like this is not one of them, whether this actually happened or not is irrelevant right now, but it does bring up the discussion of this is not a weapon people and I hope nobody is trying to use it as one.  Do you guys want to... Scott, Ken, want to address.... because the guidelines are very, very detailed in terms of its uses, the Courtesy Notices use.

Scott: Yeah, sure I'll jump in on that one. We've seen actually over in the last week quite a lot of comments that have come through to the foropaq email. There’s been a couple of folks who've perhaps unwittingly had a question in their mind that goes along the lines of "How do I get them to do X, Y or Z"  Or "How do I make them do X, Y or Z", "How do I stop them from doing X, Y or Z".  Basically you can't. It's a free world universe; it's not a tool to use to compel someone to do anything, that if you look at the big picutre, that's what we've had enough of and we've had enough of compelling people to do other things. So jumping out there and saying "You have to do this", or "You have to do that" is no different.
So the Courtesy Notice is not a tool for that.  Instead what it's saying is "I offer the following arrangements: I accept you performing this action against me in exchange for this particular monetary value".  Now if you've got that monetary value at a very high value the incentive there is for that person to stop it. If they perform the action, they've chosen the outcome; they've chosen to receive an invoice for that amount of money. It's a tool to assist in that bringing that choice to a point where you need to go "No, I don't really want to make that action".  So yeah, before you get into the Courtesy Notice inspect your intent as to what you're looking to use it for and if you spot any elements of "How do I make them do this?"  "How do I stop them do that", that sort of thing, I'd suggest starting again and just look at what you're willing to accept in exchange for them actually doing it.

Chris: Indeed.

Lisa: Anybody got anything to add to that? No, I’m here. I was muted. You have something 

to add?

Chris: Yeah I do. It’s something that Heather has emphasized to Scott and Ken and I over 

and over and over, that the energy associated with this document is very strong. It needs to 

be the right energy. It needs to be done with an intent that’s for the greater good. In part this 

is to deflect the approaches of people who are still operating in the slavery system, whether 

they know it or not, but in part it’s actually to wake them up. It’s that component that the 

energetic effects work on. It’s the waking up of the people who receive this. That’s the intent 

that Scott’s speaking to. So if you used this in trying to head off your next payment of your 

mortgage or compel someone around you to do something….completely the wrong energy. 

That’s the old energy that we’re stepping away from.

Lisa: Yep.

Scott: I’ll just follow on from there using that mortgage example. When you get, say for an 

example, an action that comes back in that’s “You have to pay your mortgage.” Having 

provided the Courtesy Notice, the attitude I approach it from is “Oh, thank you. You’ve 

accepted my terms and conditions. I’ll pop an invoice in the mail.” Some people go the place 

of “Oh, it didn’t work. It didn’t work. They’re still demanding money from me.” Well, 

they’ve just said thank you to your terms and conditions and have accepted them. So oblige 

them with an invoice and follow up with your overdue notice and the final notice and 

approach it from that angle.

From experience, when invoicing banks for these sort of things, some of these have taken 

four, five,  six more invoices before they get the idea that “Ah, maybe I better read the 

document and do some research as to what this person’s talking about rather then just 

categorize them into some fringe group and say I don’t have to read that, that’s meaningless 

I’ve been receiving these for the last ten years. That’s just this bunch of stuff that I don’t 

have to worry about.”  I suspect there’ll be a large amount of that, where people have been 

in some of these positions of the banks and so-called governments and that sort of thing, 

receiving material from various different avenues and camps. That it’s possible that they go 

“Oh, not another one” and they don’t even bother reading it. They get the first five lines, 

“ah, nope” and they’ve already categorized it. Would that sound likely for everyone else? 

Lisa: (affirmative response)

Brian: Yeah.

Chris: Yep. So, we have to keep it in our minds at all times, what would be the process we’re 

actually going through and understand it at our end as well. We’ve got a very good example, 

unlike the troll that we think has emerged to have a go at discrediting. The process there’s 

actually a really interesting story about a lady who actually wrote a letter to a bank 

referencing the OPPT UCC filing. She didn’t actually use the Courtesy Notice, but she 

basically told them that their credit card account, the whole set up, was fraudulent. She had 

no debt and that they were foreclosed upon. As a result of that approach by a letter, they 

discharged her debt and closed the account.

(talk over)

Lisa: With $28,000 dollars.

Chris: $28,000 dollars. Yeah, they actually refunded her last payment. Interesting. Not only 

that, the credit card company called her, specifying they’re not calling to collect any money. 

They just wanted to know if the account was open fraudulently by someone else or if it was 

opened by her because she’d mentioned fraud. She said “No, the fraud was on their side.” 

They also warned that her credit would be bad for seven years, which I don’t think concerns 

her a great deal, but so what. So that was a $28,000 dollar debt discharged by one letter that 

simply mentioned the UCC filings and followed up by her standing in the right space and 

literally staring them down, if you like.

That is the outcome that we expect to get with a significant number of these. There’ll be a 

significant number amount of blustering and various other posturing by the people who’ll  

receive them, but eventually the filings will stand. If more people tell these originations that 

we know they’re foreclosed, the individuals who operate in those departments who are 

actually dealing directly with the public, they aren’t  going to want to deal it. They’ll simply 

start dropping them like hot potatoes whenever the subject evens comes up. They’ll just want 

to deal with customers who will play their game. So I think we’re going to find over the next 

month or two, depending on what happens with all the other things in the background such 

as the CVACs, that the financial institutions will well and truly know that the game is up.

Brian: I actually had an interesting thing happen with the one that I filled out, Chris, for my 

auto note with Chase. The last payment I made was January 1st. So come February 3rd, my 

payment was late. Around the 10th, they started calling me. They called me every other day 

trying to correct the debt. I sent my notice in, I believe, around the 23rd. I told the guy I was 

coming and I sent a registered mail. It’s in Orange county, which is just up the road from me, 

so it probably got to them that day. I haven’t received a single call. Since then, I don’t know 

if they have discharged the debt yet or not, but whatever happened they stopped calling me. 

So I’ll keep you all posted on developments on mine as well.

Chris: Well, hopefully Brian that meant they read the terms and conditions, because they 

would know that a call is very expensive.

Brian: (affirmative response)

Chris: They will get a large invoice if they call you. That’s one of the ways that the terms 

and conditions are designed to work, to break off all contact with you. Now, while we’re on 

the subject of Courtesy Notices, I just want to bring everybody up to date in where we’re at 

with  issuing updates. In a moment we’ll go through some aspects of the new versions we’ve 

put out with Scott and Ken, just so people understand how they’re going to be used. There 

was a certain  (inaudible) released late last week which was essentially a Microsoft Word 

version. We immediately start to get feedback from people on the Macintosh with Pages that 

formatting was being somewhat lost. We also got the feedback that really there were people 

out there that actually just wanted the pdf version. Print it out and fill it in by hand with a 

pen. So today we’re re-releasing that. I think there’ll probably be weekly updates for a little 

while, while we settle the whole set down.

This update will consist of the following: there’ll be a set of  American letter formatted word 

files, with a pdf reference file. You’ll recognize the reference file, because when you open it, 

it will have reference right across the page. That’s there to show your how the pages should 

work in case you get formatting shifts that produce extra pages or whatever. You can refer to 

that reference and just fix up the work file in whatever word processer you use. We made 

some adjustments to the formatting so that the Pages program doesn’t do anything ugly with 

it. You will still get a couple of warnings when you open the file in Pages, because of the 

way that it interrupts the styles in Word. Just ignore them; they’re of no consequence. The 

other thing we’ve done is also produced a pdf-only set, which is just to be printed and filled 

in by hand. When you’re downloading them from the website, you’ll get the whole kit, but 

the files are very clearly labeled by name. So just read through the file names and you’ll find 

the ones you actually need to use. So there’ll be that new set-up on the website later today.

The next release, which will be before the show next week, is going to have some legal 

things added to it to actually increase what it's actually doing when it hits the recipient end, 

which will be pretty interesting. So look out for updates and keep an ear out on the show. 

Also, in the updates from last week and we'll probably do the same with this one, there’s a 

short audio update explaining what Scott and I are about to run through, which is the five 

slightly different versions  of the document that we've put out there in this release. The intent 

here is that you can now use this Courtesy Notice for almost any situation. You've just got to 

pick the right version, the right flavor, of it and the flavor is determined by the...at the very 

start of the Courtesy Notice, there's a section actually called Declaration of Facts that actually 

establishes who the Respondent is. That's who the person is you're sending it to. It actually 

establishes the initial terms upon which you're basing the whole Coutesy Notice. So are you 

still with us, Scott?

Scott: Yep.

Chris: Yep. Okay, now, I'll just read out the different types and we'll just quickly run through 

the intent behind each of them. There's a paper action where they send you a piece of paper, 

an incident where there's some sort of event, a future action and then two general notices, 

one we call slavery foreclosure general and slavery foreclosure individual. Now, Scott, the 

paper action one is essentially the original version that we created.

Scott: Yeah, it's basically the standard version. Most of the actions that are received, people 

have a piece of paper that is part of a demand for money or demand for action from either a 

bank or a government in the duly verified Declaration of Facts section. The only modifications 

include the context at which the Courtesy Notice flows from.  All we're doing in the paper 

action, one is pointing to the document that purports to be a, for example, a notice or an 

enfringement notice or whatever the title of the document is that you actually get. Often 

they'll come with a reference number, drop that in as well and then it's hopefully you're going 

to have a document that's come from someone that you can put their name in there from and 

there'll have their address. If you don't get their name, you may have to pick up the phone 

and do some calling to see if you can find out who is claiming responsibility for having sent 

that.

Chris: Yeah, could be if you can't get the actual person in, say some kind of credit recovery 

department, you should be able to get the name of the person responsible for that department.

Scott: Yeah.    

Chris: Yeah.

Scott: Somewhere, you might have to just keep going up the old hierarchy system until you 

find someone who's got their name published or people are willing to point at that person as 

the one responsible.

Chris: Indeed. Okay

Lisa: I think you want to go as low as you can, so it works it's way up through the system.

Scott: Yeah, yeah. Ideally if you can get the individual at the lowest level, yes. If you think 

what what would happen is likely that individual would go, "oh, hang on, I don't know about 

this, I'm going to ask my former:, it rattles it's way all the way up to the top of the old 

hierarchy.

Chris: Yeah, see it's actually shedding energy all the way up that chain and educating people. 

That's really one of the key things that's going on here is information process. That applies to 

all of these except for possibly the last two, but they're very specific. We'll cover those in a 

moment.

Okay, number two is the incident. Now, this is for use with a physical incident such as 

detainment, arrest or imprisonment where no documentation is provided. Which does happen 

occasionally and it's a form of catch-all. Do you want to speak to that Scott?

Scott: Yeah, simply the difference between the paper action and the incident is again all 

we're looking to do is provide a certain context for sending that Courtesy Notice. So to 

identify an incident, point to the location of where that incident was and the date. That's 

about as much as you need really to identify the context of that incident and the rest is....

Lisa: Can you clarify what you mean by an incident? Where would there be an incident 

where you wouldn't have a piece of paper? If you're pulled over by a police officer on the 

side of the road, he's going to give you a piece of paper, surely. Can you think of any 

(inaudible) that actually falls into this category?

Scott: In theory, I would say that in most instances you're going to get it. There's probably 

very rare circumstances that you would have an incident that if you're out there...what was 

that one guy wrote in the other day that said he was cyclying his bike without a helmet on 

and he got pulled over and labeled for that. Chances are you're right, you'd probably get a 

piece of paper. There are some situations where that may not happen.

Lisa: Okay,

Chris: Yeah, this is intended basically to fill a little crack that we know exists, because there 

are people who get, for instance, pushed around by police officers. Not necessarily cited or 

fined, but mistreated physically. This gives them the right to send it directly to the person 

who's doing it to them, to draw this whole situation to their attention. So as I said, this is the 

one we expect to probably be used least, but we just felt it made the set complete.

Scott: Actually, there is another instance that just popped up. A friend shared a situation 

where they're in court and were being bullied a bit by some of the security officers in the 

court.

Chris: Yep, yep. Classic example because bullying is damaging the proponent's measurable 

energy. It's an insult on the energy of the person and that is most definitely not permitted.

Lisa: It's an invoiceable offense.

Chris: It's an invoiceable offense. You need to read the front of the Courtesy Notice for 

details. The things they are not allowed to do in terms of financial harm and physical harm, 

because one of the specifications is damage to the Proponent's measurable energy. So that 

means if they upset you, it's your free will choice to go through life and not be upset, is it 

not? So if they're ruining your day, then they don't have a right to do that and that's part of 

what the Courtesy Notice actually covers.

Okay now, the third one is future action. I'll just read out what we've got in the guidelines 

here. This can be sent to any individual acting as an agent for a foreclosed entity that may 

interact with you in the future. The fact that you've already submitted the Courtesy Notice to 

an individual such as a police chief means that any individual instructed directly or indirectly 

by that person is duly noticed by the notice to principal is notice to agent doctrine preserved 

in UCC 103. Scott, do you want to speak to that?

Scott: Sure. I suppose rather than waiting for a piece of paper to turn up for a demand for 

payment, you're basically taking the initiative and saying, "Look, I recognize the environment 

that we're in at the moment". Let's just say a classic example is the tax office. They tend to 

only harrass you at the end of the year or the financial year in certain timing patterns. This 

document here gives you the ability to step in right away and write to them and say, "look, 

with regard to any future action by”, and list the name of the individual, with the address of, 

drop their address in there. Then it launches into the rest of the Courtesy Notice. So it's 

talking to a non-specific incident or action in the future and the context of that is set by your 

terms and conditions. So if they ring up and say, "just wanted to wish you happy birthday" 

you're not going to smash out an invoice to them. It's the context; is their future action 

demanding money or action from you compelling you to do something.

Lisa: So, based on your past experience with your corporation, I know that come April or 

July you're going to make contact with me again. So just to let you know this is what 

happens if you do. This is the arrangement under which that can happen. Okay.

Scott: Yeah.

Chris: So actually starting the contract earlier, you're not waiting for a communication and 

then making the offer of contract. You're actually making the offer of contract before they 

even contact you. Then as soon as anyone contacts you, it triggers the contract. So the very 

next time they send something to you, its a done deal. They've accepted the contract and you 

can invoice them.The way that it works is that the Respondent, and I'll read this directly, this 

is part of, one of the phrases in the Courtesy Notice itself, it says, "the Respondent is 

cautioned of its compounding and accumulating liability through instructing, directing, or 

conspiring with colleagues in pursuing damaging actions against Proponent. Should 

colleagues so instructed detrimentally damage Proponent, they will be made jointly and 

civilly liable through principal agent doctrine preserved by you, public policy UCC 1-103”. 

It is now your commercial and moral responsibility to inform them.

Brian, do you want to mute yourself?

Brian: Oh yeah, sorry about that.

Chris: “It's your responsibility to investigate your liability and any future liability and any 

potential future liability that is created by your knowing, willing and intentional free will 

choice to damage Proponent. Proponent has duly made and given an additional Courtesy 

Notice to Respondent. Original notice is a matter of record made and given by OPPT.” What 

they're saying is that everyone was noticed when the OPPT stuff was put on the website on 

December 25th.

That was notice to the world. We're giving them the courtesy of an extra warning, if you 

like, an extra notice before, in this case, we kick in a contract which is triggered by one of 

their actions. So, bottom line, is this can actually be used to make any contact from a 

government department or a corporation that you don't want to have. If they instantly 

attempt to contact you, the next time they're invoking the contract straight away. So this is a 

pretty useful little Courtesy Notice. It's actually very simple to do. Now, I really encourage 

you to do these things, because you're actually really diving right into the heart of the system 

when you actually point out to them that there is compounding liability all the way up the 

chain.

As a member of a foreclosed corporation, it has who is, say a manager of a large staff of 

individuals who are fraudulently attempting to extort money from other individuals as a 

group, which is what's happening. They're not acting as a corporation anymore. They're just 

a group of people who are actually unlawfully extorting money from individuals. The person 

who is instructing this group is commercially liable for every action they take. It wouldn't 

take much arithmetic for a manager to realize that if he's got thirty people making 30 phone 

calls a day and ruining the days of hundreds and hundreds of people, that compound liability 

is more than significant. It is huge and if you compound that across a whole company and 

look at the liability of the chief executive officer, it's way in excess of their bonus. Let me 

put it that way.

So the next one is slavery foreclosure general is what we've called it, This goes back to a 

clause, the same clause effecting Proponent’s measurable energy, but it also goes back 

directly to the UCC filings where perpetuation of a slavery system is absolutely unlawful. 

Scott, do you want to take up that thought?

Scott: Yeah. I suppose we've got these Courtesy Notices where we're directing their attention 

to the cease and desist. So you're ordering the cease and desist. Can you actually make them 

cease and desist? No. That's where you're proposing those terms and conditions to actually 

do that. I was going to suggest with the Courtesy Notice for, I suppose if we move in to the 

general one, they're very similar in their context. We've got the Courtesy Notice, which has 

got the foreclosure. Oh, sorry, we're basically talking about a generic one that covers each 

day that they turn up to work perpetuating the slavery system. So the final two that we were 

going to talk about and I might be jumping ahead a little bit there, Chris, were the two 

Courtesy Notices covering the perpetuation of the slavery system. The one, the generic one, 

that can be issued for anyone who is perpetuating the slavery system basically turning up to 

work, sending out letters.

Lisa: That sounds like one we could send to Gillard.

Scott: (chuckling)

Chris: Yeah, the thing about it is you could send it to an accounts clerk or you could send it 

to the chairman of the board of the company, because they're doing the same thing. They're 

perpetuating the slavery system.

Scott: Exactly. They're not turning up to work to change the system. They're sending out all 

the usual stuff. They're doing all the same things and it all relates to, "I'm just doing my job", 

which is the common catch phrase. So that's the thing that we're noticing them for, like Chris 

said, a second time to actually advise them of, " hang on guys, here's the memo in case you 

didn't get the first one" and get that message across.

Chris: Well, if you read the Courtesy Notices from front to back, the first thing it says is that 

the corporations have been foreclosed by a series of filings from One People's Public Trust. 

There's your notice and it lists the actual filings if they need to go to look at it. They have all 

the information necessary in those filings to work out what has and hasn't happened. So 

you're well and truly putting the ball back in their court to work out what it is you're talking 

about when you tell them they're perpetuating a slavery system. Now, I wouldn't expect to 

ever get a response to one of these, but if they do it's item, I think #15 in the terms and 

conditions, that actually covers it and I just need to.....

Scott: Nah, actually 16, Chris.

Chris: 16? Yep.

Scott: Operating and perpetuating any and all private money systems issuing collection, 

legal enforcement systems, operating slavery systems of and against the One People. The 

One People is defined in the UCC (inaudible), thousand ounces of silver per calendar day.

Chris: So should they happen to respond, even if the company secretary writes back letter 

saying, "thanks very much for your letter, but we think you're a nutter", you can start 

sending her an invoice a day for a thousand ounces of silver, should they respond to you. 

Now, they may well put them in the shredder, but the point is taken that they now know 

they have been put on notice that they're an operating slavery system and the company is 

foreclosed and that's the message we are trying to get through. This is the harm to one is 

harm to all concept that's really at the bottom of this. That they, an operating slavery system, 

might only diminish one person, but because we are One People that diminishes us and 

they're not actally entitled to do that under universal law. Not to one, not to all.

So this is really operating in an absolutely generic fashion. So if you feel annoyed at 

Monsanto, send one of these to the CEO. If you feel annoyed at a company you discover is 

doing chemtrail spraying, send one to the CEO. Send one to every board member. Send one 

to every country, every company official you can find on their website. You're entitled to do 

that. If they write back to you saying, "sorry but we think you're being silly", send them an 

invoice and keep sending them invoices. The point will come home to them and the more...

for instance, one of the things we could do with the email blast is actually to send 10,000 

Courtesy Notices to the head of some corporation. At that point....

(talk over)

Chris: If they happen to respond to it, then they responded to fifty of those. They can have 

fifty people sending them invoices daily until they shut the company down, stop operating. 

So, it's one of those things where we can stand toe to toe and tell the system that the game is 

over. So we are actually hoping.........

Lisa: I just want to say, because we have covered forty minutes on the Courtesy Notices. so 

let’s just sort of round it up and move on.

Chris: I'll just round it up to the last one, if you can give me one more minute? The last one 

is virtually the same but it's to support a specific individual, action against a specific 

individual. If you want to support Bill Brockbrader or Cody, the gentleman who was put in 

jail last week, #5 is the one to use because you can name an individual. Okay, so read 

through the guidelines, have a look at it and sharpen your pencils.

Lisa: Now, all the Courtesy Notices always go directly up on the OPPT–IN. com website; so every time they’re updated, that’s where you’ll find them. I know that people are downloading them and sharing them on other websites and blogs and things which is great, but the ones that come from Scott and Chris and Ken, that’s where they go, straight onto that website.

Chris: I was just going to say the email address for questions is foropaq@gmail.com.

Lisa: That is just for Courtesy Notice related questions.

Chris: Yes.

Lisa: The website is constantly under revision and growth and is expanding and changing constantly. So there is always more information up there. This brings me to one of the points that I want to make which is to go to the source. What I’m seeing is a lot of commentators out there who are discussing OPPT, doing radio shows and writing up blog posts and what have you.  They are misquoting or outright lying in, some respects. If you’re getting a lot of your information from other commentators, then I strongly recommend that you go back. There’s really only a couple of sources to get it from the horse’s mouth; that is the One Peoples Public Trust 1776 website where the actual documents are.

If you haven’t done this yet because you think they’re going to go over your head because you think 

they’re going to be all legal, then I want to make a recommendation. Print them out. Get a highlighter and highlight all of the non-legalese wording. Don’t bother with the serial numbers and things like that. 

Highlight what sounds to you like normal speak and go through and read those documents that way and then you will understand what they are saying. Don’t worry about the legalese aspects of it and all the legal references in it. Just read those parts and you will get them; you really will. If you have only jumped in a week ago or two weeks ago and you are trying to catch up, I highly recommend again going back. This is what our fifth show maybe?

Chris: Not sure, lost count already.

Bob: Seems like years gone by already.

Lisa: I know. Go back and listen from the beginning to the OPPT-IN shows here on Freedom Reigns and also go back to the 8th of January when we came back on line with the Collective Imagination show. Listen to those and do it in order if you can. Because what you will find is your data base will grow exponentially, because no two shows are the same; they often grew and expanded on what came before. What you’ll also find out right now is that there are people that have come on board just the last week or so. They’re finding material that was put out two months ago that has since been addressed.

For example, Heather is actually a 25-year-old who seven years ago when she was 18 was a drunk driver and killed some people. NO, she wasn’t. She’s already addressed that; it was addressed in the first week of January I believe; it’s a different Heather.

D: But that’s my most favorite one.

Lisa: That’s your most favorite one. Heather has actually shown the documents, her Bar Cards and all of this proving that she’s not 25 years old. So if you haven’t come across it yet or if you do come across it next week and you think “oh my god here it is” and start sharing it all over again. There is no need; it has already been addressed. The other issue is that Heather was involved in a trucking company. Again is what people are finding are little bits and pieces of information that where part of the investigation.

The investigation went on for about three years. When I say the investigation what I mean is, lots of 

different remedies, so-called sovereign remedies, were investigated for their efficacy. What was discovered was that they had a limit; they did not achieve what ultimately what the UCC filings achieved. They worked a little bit for a little while under certain circumstances. It wasn’t until April of last year that this particular solution presented itself. It was vetted and re-vetted for months before a single document was filed. So a trucking company was actually used as part of that investigation process, because one of the remedies involves apparently the Department of Transport. That was it. It has never been used. It’s not a viable company as such. If anybody else knows anything else about that, they can add.

Brian: On the trucking company?

Lisa: Yes, yes.

Brian: Well, yeah, the funny thing about it is we have emails back and forth. Like if somebody really wants to go back that far, because we covered that in literally the infant stages of this all that coming out into the public. We shared all those emails back and forth with Heather on the American Kabuki blog. So go back to americankabuki.blogspot.com and search around the 26th, 27th, 28th and 29th of December. You will find email conversations where Heather explains everything with the trucking company, which was set up as kind of a shell for the investigation. In full detail and full transparency, because that’s what you get when you ask Heather a question. It’s all fully explained there. So what I would suggest is, if I can throw in my two bobs here real quick, is that if there is information that is filled with any kind of hate or negativity or just full-on slander, liable or mudslinging, be cautious of that kind of material. Because if anybody really is a true truth seeker, approaching it from that angle isn’t necessarily the best, most effective way to go if you’re trying to win over popular opinion.

So that’s what I would say to look out for. Everyone has their right to do their homework and do their 

research. I did a search for One Peoples Public Trust in Google with quotations around it. Somebody called me out for not putting quotations around it before, which really encompasses only the One Peoples Public Trust, not just random websites that say peoples or public or trust. It was at 720,000 responses/results back on Google last week. It’s up to 1.23 million as of 10 seconds ago. So there’s a lot of people that are going to be out there talking about it. For every one person that is trying to attack it because of fear or fear of the unknown or whatever it might be, there’s 100,000, if not a million people that are out there that are either A: supporting it or B: holding the space that all of this is truth and is reality, because they have hope that there is change is coming. So that’s the most important thing, be careful of the people out there that are in attack mode. I just don’t resonate with those types of opinions and don’t think there is anything to be gained from approaching it from that level.

Lisa: There’s also a show called Dale After Dark. I’m not sure who the host is, but the first few minutes of the program he said that he listened to one of our shows and he heard Heather say that she is a blood 

Rothschild. Now if you haven’t heard that show, then you might believe him. I’m not saying he is lying. I’m just saying he wasn’t really listening. That’s not what she said at all. That’s not even close to what she said. 

So this is why I’m saying, be careful when you’re going to these other commentators. Go to the source. Go to these shows, because this is where you’ll hear directly from Heather. She has only done a couple of interviews with other people, but if you want to hear from her directly then tune in to this show; that is myrecommendation.

(Others are chiming in saying “or the Collective Imagination Show”.)

D: Lisa, you know what, if I can just jump in here for a second? This is one of the issues. I get emails all of the time, “Oh, so and so Regan said something terrible on the radio or so and so gave a report about this that and the other”. We have these things coming in. So, for example, and I’m not going to start naming names, because I’m not even going to give them that space. None of those people...all those emails that I receive from people saying this person, that person, the other person...some of them are well-known people on the internet or they’re saying this or that. Not one of those people have come forward to ask the questions directly to Heather or any one of us who’s been involved with OPPT right from the beginning, not one of them. Now, one of the people who has been very vocal apparently lately, a well-known person in the patriot movement, is a personal friend of mine. I said it to someone just recently and I said she has never made a single attempt to talk to me or talk to Heather to ask questions and yet is spouting all this misinformation. Well, that should say something right there. Pretty much anytime anything has come forward, Heather has addressed it immediately. If it hasn’t been addressed, there’s a good chance that those people that are mouthing off have actually never made an attempt to contact her.

Bob: I also think that it’s really important for people to start to do your own research. It’s good to value 

someone else’s opinion, but unless you’ve read the documents yourself, unless you’ve actually gone 

through that journey….and it is a journey. It’s an amazing story when you go back and you follow along and you see what actually happened, because it puts you in a place that you really need to be when you want to exercise these documents. It puts you in a place of knowing, not believing, not hoping...you know that everyone can have their opinions on whether this is real or not. But the ones that are speaking out, we know it’s real. We have watched and we’ve seen and we’ve looked at the evidence of it. If you don’t allow yourself that same opportunity, you’re really doing yourself a disservice. You can take a picture of yourself with your camera and say yes, that is me and somebody can debunk that. If you’re looking for a debunker that is what they do, you can debunk anything. That doesn’t necessarily mean that what‘s being debunked is not true. You’ve got to have an opinion for yourself, stop following. This is all about standing in your space. It’s not about following Heather. Ask D, her and Heather disagree all the time.

D: Ha-ha, yes we do. Not so much anymore, but we have bumped heads several times.

Bob: We don’t always agree with each other here on the panel. We have different opinions and different ideas about what may be taking place and what may not be taking place. It’s important for you to be confident within yourself that this is real for you. That it’s something that you believe in. That it’s something that you resonate with. How is it that you feel when someone tells you what you can and can’t do? Where you can and can’t go? How you can and can’t love? What you can and can’t eat? How does that resonate with you? Is that true? Does that feel natural?

Lisa: Well, this actually brings us to Winston Shrout. Now he is a very well respected man in the sovereign movement, considered the grandfather of the movement in some respects. He did do an interview where he addressed OPPT. There were two questions, or two areas, that he brought up, that he was questioning in regards to OPPT. One of them was whether or not the documents were filed and then recorded. Now, the response to these questions have now gone online on the American Kabuki website and D has also put a link to them on her blog RTS. The answer to that is: Yes, they were both recorded and filed. So, if you weren’t aware of that, then that’s the answer on that.

The other question was, it doesn’t look like they actually put a lien in, and if they did, it wasn’t done 

correctly. The answer to that is: No, they didn’t.  Because as Winston very well explained, a lien is a claim on the title of an object,  not the object itself. In other words, I think he used the example of a car, that if some guy comes and runs over his foot with their car, he can put a lien on their car. He’s not going to take physical possession of their car. What that does is it means that, that person can’t do anything with that car. They can’t sell it. He’s still got it. He still owns it. He’s still driving it. He still has the use of it, but he can’t sell it. He can’t transfer the title. He can’t do anything with the title while that lien is in place. That lien can be in place until whatever demand, in this instance Winston wanted to put on him for running over his toes, was met.  It might be that he wants him to pay all of his medical bills. Once that is met, the lien is lifted. The guy can transfer or sell his car. But by doing a lien what you are acknowledging is the car belongs to that individual; it’s their car. By doing a lien in this instance, what she would have been acknowledging was that We the People belong to them. I hope you get that, if she would’ve put a lien in, she would’ve been acknowledging that we belong to them, that we are their property. So a lien was not put in.

(talk over)

D: Okay, just to clarify, by them you mean the powers-that-were?

Lisa: Of course, the powers-that-were. In fact, she would be acknowledging that we are their property and chattel. Did somebody else have something to add to that?

Chris: I heard Bob whispering, yeah.

Bob: I was saying that in all the other assets was our property that was stolen from us. It’s not another 

person’s property. It’s ours. So to put a lien, would have said that it was their property and we’re holding it until they pay this debt. No, it was our property to begin with and it was stolen, so it’s more of a repossession.

Chris: It was a recovery of stolen property all the way through. They claimed they were the care takers and the owners of the system, if you want to call them that. That they were acting on our behalf. What the trustees did was present them with direct evidence that says No, they’re actually stealing from us all along. They’re abusing us, hence the claim of crimes against humanity, treason in fact. That was what they were asked to rebut; that claim of being in complete and fraudulent and criminal action, deceptive action practices, ultimately for generations, not just one instance. And of course that’s not rebuttable, because the evidence is everywhere around us. That’s why the powers-that-were have been unable to attack these fillings, despite all the expertise in UCC exists at the top end of corporations and not in the sovereignty movement. That’s where the expertise is and they’ve not been able to rebut the fillings.

So unless anyone else out there who’s commenting on this would like to personally work out how to rebut the filings, please go back and read the documents and understand what’s going on. Because commentary from the outside is usually based on experience gained by trial and error in bits and pieces and not in really hard core usage of the technology as the system uses it, which is where Heather is coming from. So the situation itself with the action they took is pretty clear; it was just, “hey you claimed you were the boss, but you were stealing our stuff. Prove you didn’t. Oh you didn’t prove it, so we’re foreclosing on you. Oh but wait, we’ll fire you first” and that’s all that happened. It was pretty straight forward. We took all the stuff back too and gave it to the people.

Lisa: Now, Heather was hoping to join us today, because she does have a lot of updates to let you in on 

including about the CVAC’s. It’s really unfortunate that they messed with her to prevent her from getting on the show. But it doesn’t look she is going to make it unless she can pop in, in this last hour. However...

Chris: I do have a little bit of information about that, Lisa, unless you want to speak to it?

Lisa: No, you can do it.

Chris: Okay, the progress on getting the CVACs actually ready to roll out is moving forward.  They’re at the stages of finalizing the technological stuff and the funding issues behind it all. It’s closer than it was last week, reasonably imminent, but I can’t be any more specific than that because I have no more information than that. However, I did have a request from Heather for everybody to actually think about and even discuss on this show and that is. The thing we need to focus on is a funded CVAC actually comes into being, what are we going to do next?  Now if I said to say you Bob. Bob you have the whole resources of one CVAC entity behind which is quadrillions of dollars, what projects would you fund? What is first out of the box for you?

Bob: First out of the box for me will be an education and health center. I believe that people really need to be educated. Those two fundamental things is what drives everything. I would fund anything that would help transform this world into a sustainable planet. Whether that be free energy, any humanitarian effort I would be a part of. What is really possible, I mean, what kind of quality of life can we actually create for ourselves, I think, higher than any of us can realize.

Chris: That’s exactly the sort of discussion we need to have. What I will do is quickly pass around the panel and we’ll just put out our initial response. Now D is putting her hand up here.  So, what would you do first 

D?

D: Oh…oh…oh…pick me, pick me.

Chris: Yes you, the noisy one in the corner.

D: Yes, the noisy one in the corner. I’ll go put my dunce cap back on, I’m sorry (laughing).  You know 

what, I’ve been hugely involved in several different aspects and I’ve got big big plans.  One of them is 

obviously going to be what Bob touched on with the whole green energy and going into zero point energy and going farther than that.  My father has worked in the green energy industry for 20 years. I already actually have a crap load of connections for desalination plants that are solar powered and the whole bit. They’re so simple. Some of the technologies that are available now are so simple. They’re just being blocked by the government. Waste disposal systems that are being blocked by every municipal, federal, provincial and state government in North America. 

Chris: Because the difference here, folks, is that this is resources in the hands of the people being used for the people and not for government agendas driven by corporate owners operating in the background.

D: Exactly.

Chris: So, Ken, what would you do first?

(Silence)

Chris: Are you still with us Ken?

Ken: Yes I am; I had to unmute my microphone. I think that in a very general sense, what I would really like to see and I think it could be disseminated quite freely and that is a re-evaluation of the education program. Let me explain. For too long we’ve lived in a world where there is always someone there to hold your hand or give you the directive or issue a statute which says you do things this way or that way. You apply for or you need to register to do that or you need someone’s approval. In that process we have forgotten how to think for ourselves. What I would like to see is an education program wherever it might be instituted, I think the primary school grade is the best place to start, which gets people used to the idea of how to think for themselves. Cognitively, rationally evaluate data. Make decisions. Be responsible for their decisions. That part of the educational program to me is very sadly neglected. What we’ve done is just brought up (inaudible) slugs.

Chris: Yep. I hear you Ken. That gets my vote.

Lisa: That was the objective though Ken.

Chris: It was the objective and it was quite cheap to achieve.

Lisa: They achieved their goal.

Chris: Brian, what about you? I’ll keep moving around the panel, because I know that we could all talk 

about this for hours. What would you do first?

Brian: My first item on the agenda is to play a support role to all of those that are in fear or confused by 

what’s going on and helping them to come into grips with the reality that’s now upon us and to help them to understand that it’s nothing to be afraid of. That where we’re headed is something that’s a place that is more beautiful than we can possibly comprehend with our 3rddimensional conscious mind.

Once everybody’s gotten over that hump of uncertainty, I think that I’ll be heading in the direction where Hopegirl is with her Fix the World Business Plan. I mean, with her website that she has put together and the Fix the World Business Plan has amazing ideas of just absolute brilliance. She’s working on things like flying cars, free energy devices and how to fix a lot of these broken systems. I think having her and what she is putting together right now behind the scenes as a great point of making sure that all of the options are on the table. I’m going to probably head over to see what she’s up to and then figure out where to go.The way I look at it right now, I could sit here all day and say this is what I want to go and do. But if you would’ve asked me the same question a month ago, I would’ve told you something that would probably be totally irrelevant to where we are today. So for me, it’s staying open-ended and very fluid depending on what information and data I have available to me at any particular time.

Chris: Yep. Lisa, what would you do?

Lisa: (chuckles) Well, I know that I’m supposed to be a clone or not even here, but just a computer 

generated program.

Chris: CGI aren’t you?

Lisa: Yes, but I would actually like to clone myself. I’d like about a dozen of me, so that I can do all of the things I want to do. There’s a lot I would like to do really just in my local community.  The technology side of things is very, very exciting. I know that there are about a dozen groups in Australia alone who have free energy technology ready to go to market; they just haven’t been able to get it through. Assisting in things like that, also the 5d Media Network, I really want to get that up and running and create a real news program. Where people can go to and know that they are getting truth, they are getting the Absolute Data every day, useful information that is…(sounds of typing). Brian, can you put mute on cause you’re typing.

Brian: Sorry.

Lisa: Programs that really share real information with people that improves on their lives. Too many things; the education system as Ken talked about. I’ve got three kids in school and I feel like my job is to counter what goes on there every day when they come home. Now I have to undo damage; I don’t want to feel like that. I want to know that my kids are actually growing, learning and expanding and being fulfilled.

Chris: Well, for me it’s all of the above, cause I want to see all of those things happening. There’s an 

agricultural project that I have been somewhat involved with. It’s a very large scale Biochar recycling and agricultural land renewal program. If you take waste like the output from meat packing plants and you put it through a proper Biochar system, you can create a huge amount of incredibly fertile land in a very short amount of time. You could grow things like hemp, which can be used for so many different things, it’s just absolutely ridiculous. There’s one particular gentleman who’s known to all of the panel who’s got a project already on the books; it’s already underway. He actually has already set up relationships with land owners, hemp growers and the Biochar technology. All he requires is just some funding and the whole thing will start to roll out.  It’s just so many projects out there like that.

One thing I would like to do, if there are people in the chat, just put down the first project that you would like to fund. I just would like to make a point while everyone is doing that and Lisa can read back a bit of the list in a minute. If you look at the scope that we just covered amongst six people, health, education, energy, agriculture, communications etc, what you’re really talking about are the CVAC systems. That is the meat of the actual CVAC; the formal CVAC entity run by us as a group. We each individually are CVACs and what we’re going to be doing is to co-creating a management system, which coalesces and develops for the communities. All of the things that were just talked about. It’s just such an exciting prospect to be even having this conversation.

Before Christmas, you would have had to cut my leg off to convince me that I would be having this 

conversation right now, but here it is about to happen. We want to be ready. We don’t want to be sitting 

around thinking in fear of, “oh my goodness, people are going to go nuts and party till they drop”. Well, a few of them will; some of those we can pull back from the brink and others we might not be able to save them. That is their free will choice. The vast majority of the human race when they get over the initial shock of the sudden change are going to go “holy crap”. Now we can do what humans do when they are left to their own devices which is be creative.  So I’d like to at least, Lisa has anyone put down in the chat the sort of projects they would like to run up?

Lisa: They are and it’s all falling into the same categories really.

Chris: Just read out from the list; read a few things out.

Lisa: I can’t. They go by so fast. (chuckles) Helping families, raising their children, lots of health and well being, organic gardening environmental architecture and housing, lots of free energy stuff and technology.  

Bob: Some kind of healing center that would be free to the people.

Lisa: Yep…natural healing, alternative healing…

(Several talking at once)

Chris: Thomas is here.

Thomas: Yeah…I was gonna see if I could take a stab at this.

Chris: Go for it.

Thomas: I was going to say, we’re all going to go different directions obviously with this. So I think where I would focus my attention is to educate and get the knowledge out to all of the people on Indian 

reservations, so that they don’t have to live in 3rd world countries anymore. 

Chris: Absolutely.

Thomas: The second poorest place in the entire world is the Cheyenne Indian Reservation in Wyoming. 

That’s probably where I would start at. 

Lisa: Is that true?

Thomas: Yes, that’s true.

Chris: Here is one of the things that I thought I want to make sure that everyone gets their heads around. You take a group of twenty individuals who are willing to share their abundance. They could literally put together a fleet of aircraft, packed with food. Send in fleet after fleet after fleet into the middle of Africa. 

Essentially head off the starvation that is rampant in several areas in Africa. At the same time building more permanent infrastructure as they go at a personal level.  You could do that as a person. No governments required, no NGOs, no aid organizations; just people doing what they need to do. Another example, if you are in a country town in the United States and its 30% unemployment, even one person with access to the kind of resources that appear to be coming available to us shortly could turn that town around in a matter of weeks and months just by implementing social programs.

Bob: So many things that need to be done. How many times have you driven down the road and said “god, I wish somebody would fix that pot hole”. Now you can hire someone to do it. I’ve spent the last two days here with Len Histon and what I’ve learned in playing his Wizzdom Game. We’ve been playing for the last couple of days. Is that human beings are capable of some extraordinary things; that we’re not really even tapping into our whole potential. When we have the ability just to have the space and the time to sit back and ponder these things, because a lot of people don’t even have that space and time that they allow for themself to even think about any of these things. 

Thomas: If I could just say one more thing, then I’ll disconnect. The other thing that I would do is open a new rehab center called “Cathaholics Anonymous” and I’m warning you that there are no 12 Stepping at Cathaholics. You can laugh now.

Lisa: Did you say Catholics???

Thomas: Yeah, you know all of the Catholics that are going to be recovering Catholics, that is right.

Lisa: Are they recovering from Catholicism or are they recovering from some other substance abuse?

Thomas: They’re recovering from religion, period. Anyway, thank you and I will leave now.

Chris: You can stay Thomas, you don’t have to rush off. We do appreciate you. My point in this whole 

conversation is focusing on the incredibly positive aspect rather than the initial fear reaction that most 

people get when they suddenly think “Well, hell, this sounds like it’s going to be chaos”. It’s going to be interesting. It’s going to be very fast moving, but the positivity of it we can’t overestimate the effect 

positivity will have in simply swamping whatever minor amounts of negativity arise when people who 

can’t deal with this situation properly and get out of hand. The people around them will correct most of 

those issues. I don’t see it as being a problem. The system itself, the transformative process. I just want to say one more thing. The transformative process is something that we need to keep discussing every show to a degree.  I just wanted to kick it off today by getting the guys in the chat. Is it still whizzing past, Lisa, with suggestions?

Lisa: No, it’s whizzing past with requests to answer questions people want to ask. I don’t know what they are. They are going by so fast, but there is one question that has come to me from several sources. It’s in regards to using the Courtesy Notice on behalf of a minor in a person to person situation. Even though we know that we are sending these Courtesy Notices to an individual, the corporation doesn’t exist anymore. What if it’s not to somebody who thinks they work for a corporation?  An example that was given was your kid’s being being bullied at school, can you send one to the parents of the kid who is doing the bullying? Can you send one to your neighbor for example if they caused you distress? Do you know what I mean?  Not somebody that thinks they represent a corporation.

Chris: Actually, to give you a straight off answer, I would say yes, but in fact this is contextual. It’s 

something that neither Ken or Scott and I have done. I think we haven’t even bent our thoughts in that 

direction. The answer is yes you could, but I think…well, lets discuss that. We’ll come back to you folks in the next show and I think we’ll have an answer for that. I can just see that certain things may need to be tweaked a bit. That Courtesy Notice is individual to individual.  It’s assuming a corporate approach. We need to review it to see how it is set with just straight individual to individual for some matter that’s obviously fairly personal and close. 

Bob: My feeling on that is that I think the intention of the Courtesy Notice was to address the old system, the system that is persisting. When it comes to dealing with people, is that what we really want? Sending each other paperwork? I don’t know.

(Several talking at once)

Chris: Bob, I agree with you that the role of the Courtesy Notice is to help us close down the old system that’s ultimately what it is trying to do. We’re going into a new area where we are now under Universal law/Common law or under UCC law. It’s going to take a while to adapt to that.

(Bob and Chris talking at once)

Bob: Why don’t the parents just go and talk to them?

Chris: The reason I want to take a week to have to think about this is just that.

Ken: Can I say something? The Courtesy Notice is fundamentally banks and government. Situations like kids being bullied at school is a matter for the parents to take up with the principals or the masters at the school. One of the things that they need to be asked if the teachers are not getting rid of the bullying aspect, then is to ask the teacher where they approve of the idea of society being run by bullies. Then it may be that you could hand them a Courtesy Notice and say “I suggest you have a look through this just to bring yourself up to speed with what is going on in the background. Maybe you need to get your act together. ‘  So you’re not actually using the Courtesy Notice then in the normal sense of addressing it to a government or a bank, but you are in fact choosing which one is appropriate. Of course using it as a means of letting your teacher know that you are not going to condone bullying in the school and they need to do something about it.

Chris: Ultimately my request to the people involved, particularly the headmaster of the school, would be to immediately begin teaching the students the meaning and the application of the Universal Law. Because under Universal Law there is no bullying. There cannot be bullying.

Ken: That’s right.

Lisa: Okay, well let’s bring some people out to ask some questions. We've got area code 917. Area code 917? You've got your hand up? Hello? Yes?

Caller: Hi everyone. Hi, can you hear me?

Lisa: I can hear you. What’s your name?

Caller: I'm Michael, how are you all?

Lisa: We're very well Michael, thanks for calling in.

Michael (caller): Yeah, thank you guys for everything you guys are doing. I'm trying to put a group 

together to start sending out some Courtesy Notices and DO’ing and BE’ing. A lot of the people in my 

group are wondering, they listened in to that Winston Shrout and I'm glad you guys addressed a lot of the things that Winston Shrout brought up. One of the main questions that keep coming up in my group is they're wondering who the grantors (inaudible) of the Trust are and who appointed Heather and the other two as trustees?

Lisa: Okay.

Chris: Did you want to speak to that, Bob?

Michael (caller): They just have issues cuz there’s two in the party that are kind of experienced cuz they 

have trusts that they've enacted. They're just wanting to get those questions answered cuz they're curious as to how that that all works.

Lisa: Yeah, there seems to be a misconception that everybody’s been placed under a trust called the One Peoples Public Trust and Heather and the other two trustees are the trustees of it. That actually isn't 

accurate. What’s happened is the trust, all the trusts that you were under without your knowledge and 

consent have been removed, is a more accurate way of looking at it. But Bob go for it.

Bob: What I think I would say is this is a question that's asked by someone who hasn't contemplated maybe fully who they are. Who are you is the ultimate question. When you answer that question you find exactly, as the document says, you are the creator manifest in creation experiencing itself as creation. So there's where your authority comes from. It comes from within you. Right? What gives her the authority to do that? The fact that she's remembered and she has the right to do it. But she could do it just for herself or she could do it for everyone else. Because ultimately you are all humanity. It only takes one person to remember that. It only takes one person to remember that you are SELF.

Michael (caller): Okay, so are the terms trust and trustee sort of misapplied to the OPPT?

Bob: No, they're not misapplied. It's still a trust. But anyone could be trustee. I mean, if you had raised your hand to do it, you're basically becoming a servant to the people.

Michael (caller): But doesn't the trustee have to be appointed by the grantor or settler or the person who 

creates the trust?

Bob: Which is the Creator.

Lisa: The Creator created the trust. It's going back to the original trust between the Creator and us. It's 

re-establishing that trust.Michael (caller): So the Creator is the person or the entity that created the trust and appointed the three trustees and named all of us the beneficiaries?

Chris: Actually if I may jump in there. Look, that's actually my understanding of it based on reading the 

documents. If you've got people in your group who are somewhat legally inclined, I'd just encourage them to read the trustee bonds and as many of the filings as they can find that relate to refining the trust to what it ultimately became which was simply the triumvirate of the...this is my view of it. The Creator as the grantor, we as the beneficiaries, and the trustees as the trustees. If you want to ask us who appointed the trustees, you would have to say well superficially they appointed themselves, but in fact what's really happening is that they're literally appointed by the Creator.

Bob: It's simpler than that. You are part of the trust. The trust (inaudible) is the Creator, the planet, all the manifestations therein and that includes you. At least your body, your DNA, that's the creation. Okay? You are the consciousness behind it. You are the Creator. You ARE the Creator. You are the Creator of your body. You are the Creator of all that is you. You are experiencing yourself through your creation. It is your consciousness, right?, that is inhabiting your body. That’s where the authority comes from. This is why I said, this person has not really contemplated really who they are. You are the Creator. Your consciousness. Everything is based on that. Consciousness is the primary factor in the whole universe. It’s your consciousness that creates your body.

Michael (caller): As trustees what kind of power or control do the trustees have over the trust?

Lisa: Read those documents and you'll see what they have is 100% liability. They put themselves into that position with complete liability for doing the right thing on behalf of everybody on the planet. They've got no authority and control over anybody.

Chris: They put all the power in the hands of the people.

Michael (caller): So, we don’t' have to turn to them for any sort of, in regards to them administering the 

trust or any of that? We don't have to look to them for...

Chris: Permission?

Michael (caller): Well, just administering the trust. There’s no control that they have that we as beneficiaries need to turn to them for?

Lisa: It's a spiritual trust in my understanding.

(multiple people talking over each other)

Bob: One of the things that is spelled out for the trustees is that they are to offer assistance. That you’re to have unencumbered access to all of your value. They are there to offer assistance in that. That's it.

Michael (caller): Great. Okay, so what doc should I show my group?

Chris: The trustees bond and oath first. The other documents unfortunately are scattered throughout the 

website. What I think I'll do for next week, I'll make a list of the actual documents that deal with the 

structure of the trust, because we keep getting this coming up regularly. I just want to identify the ones that people need to go and have a look at. But I'll give you an example of ones that you need to look at and they're pretty obvious. In the UCC filings menu, there’s a document called One People Secured. They need to read that. That’s in 2012 Part 1. And in 2012 Part 2 menu they need to read Order of Reconciliation Earth, earth Secured and Co-custodian.

Now just one final comment before you go. But what Bob's saying is absolutely accurate. What they've

done is returned us to our original state where there was nothing here but us and the planet and the Creator.The trust structure is actually a human construct and because we've been using that concept for hundreds of years, they've simply used that framework because it's part of UCC law and part of common law. It's a common aspect in the way that we administer ourselves. We can kind of create a human construct which sort of fits the situation, but still not the real base situation that Bob was describing. The real, the base, situation is the one we really need to keep our eyes on because that's where our equity is. That’s where we all have an equal share and access to the resources of the planet, but at the same time we're co-custodians with the planet and we're required to look after it. So there’s just nothing else in the landscape anymore. The trustees simply brought the trust into existence to give themselves the tools to remove the obstructions that were between us and the creator if that makes sense. They don't stand between us and anything there. They are in fact the ultimate public servants at this point.

Bob: I want to also speak to this too. Because there's something behind this question and it's an old 

paradigm thought. What's behind this question is who's in charge?

Michael (caller): That was the two questions that helped me to have answered.

Bob: Alright, well, no-one's in charge. You are in charge of you. This is what it means to be 

100% liable. You are in charge of you and your dealings and the things that you create, 

okay? You are in charge. There is no hierarchy. When people start to understand that, that 

there's no one in charge, no one under anyone or anything, it's putting the responsibility 

back in your hands. Here's the driving bill. Take it. It's no longer going to be on autopilot, 

if you choose to. You can leave it on autopilot if you wish. Someone else or a machine can 

make the decisions for you, if that's your free will choice. There's no one in charge. You are.

Michael (caller): I appreciate everything you guys do. I'm glad you answered those 

questions. It will alleviate a lot of people who are still on the fence. Do you think that there 

will ever be a page on any of the sites showing successes with any of the Courtesy Notices 

or any success stories?

Lisa: Brian, is that being built up?

Brian: Yeah, we're working on it. We're doing some developments with the website. That's 

one of the things thats going to be included, so we'll have all sorts of stories and success 

stories coming soon.

Michael (caller): Great. Well, thank you guys. God bless you all. I'm sure this will alleviate 

a lot of questions my group has. Much love and light to you all.

Brian: Thanks for calling.

Lisa: Thank you.

Chris: Yes, thanks.

Ken: Can I just add to that last?

Lisa: Yes.

Ken: Regarding the time it takes to get some successes from Courtesy Notices, the process 

here can stretch on from weeks to even months. The second side to that question is what you 

really want is someone's silence. Now, you might send out a Courtesy Notice and get no 

response for six weeks and suddenly you get another demand. That six-week period doesn't 

necessarily mean you had success if you get another demand, it just means they went away 

and had a little huddle in the corner and have a think about how they're going ot handle the 

issue before they get back to you.

Lisa: Discuss it over the water cooler, yep.

Ken: So, when people get no response, it does not necessarily mean that they've got success. 

Because it could still come up again. For people to expect that they're going to send this 

Courtesy Notice out and get an instant success is a myth. That needs to be fully understood. 

On the other hand, if someone does get a letter immediately, which says we're withdrawing 

all action, we're going to desist, we're not going to do anything further with your case, that 

is a success.

Lisa: Yep, well said, Ken. Thank you.

Chris: We'd like to hear about that too. Use the foropaq email for that as well. That can be 

quite useful.

Ken: I'm actually making a list at the moment of people who are sending their (inaudible) in. 

Many of them, of course, are concerning the answers that we've given them, expressing their 

thanks and gratitude for receiving quick answers to their questions. But I expect also to see a 

trickle of people coming in and saying "Hooray! It worked."

Lisa: (chuckle) Alright. We've got a caller, area code 323.

Caller: Hello there.

Lisa: Yes, hello.

Caller: Hi, my name is Tamara. First of all, I'd like to thank all of you for all the clarification 

that you've done and your dedication, the time that you've spent and the absolute integrity, 

you brought to the table when it comes to actually really looking at the documents. I've 

followed every single show and I read all the documents, even the shows that are not 

necessarily in favor of what's happening here. I have two questions. I think this question is 

for Chris. Regarding the Courtesy Notice, I believe I would use the future Notice, in the 

event that I would want to give notice to the council here in Sonoma County regarding 

fluoridating the water. I've actually already sent a Courtesy Notice of the first version, but 

since this version is a better and updated version, which one would I use?

Chris: I would actually use the one that's going to get posted next, because we are refining 

the wording in the duly verified Declaration of Facts, strengthening it with each release. 

Obviously, giving you more options with each release. At the moment, for instance, we've 

got one which we call "Slavery Foreclosure Individuals", which is an instance where harm is 

caused to an individual. If you want to allay a specific complaint against a corporation for a 

harmful act against everybody, then I think we just need to give a little tweak to the way 

that particular Declaration of Facts is actually written.

I think you'll get the result you're after, which is a document you can send to them saying 

you're doing me harm by this specific action. You are perpetuating the slavery system as 

well and it's saying cease and desist. If they do respond, you can then justifiably invoice 

them and continue to do that on a daily basis. We get emails from people saying "I think I 

want to tweak this bit and that bit" and what we say to them is "Don't tweak anything. The 

only area that you might tweak if you're very careful about it is the duly verified Declaration 

of Facts right at the start where you're defining the Respondent and what actions they took 

that caused you to write the Courtesy Notice to them. It's a very good question. These 

questions will actually cause us to tweak things a little further and change the language 

we're using and we'll be able to cast a wider net.

Tamara (caller): Okay. Okay, wonderful. Thank you so much. I actually have a second 

question as well for anybody there. It's my understanding that once these documents were 

filed and we came into our abundance and our freedom, that the other side, the dark side, 

was to be honored as well and honoring them anchoring that energy for us to experience 

duality. That being said, it seems that since those documents were filed and public notices 

given it's my understanding that every other darker entity that anchors there, are they also 

forgiven? At this point, are we kind of resetting the clock and saying, okay, now you are 

liable for your actions?  Because Hope is a really good example. That's a very obvious, 

good example. Can you speak to that?

(talk over)

Lisa: Well, I can say that what Heather's been talking about of late is what she's calling the 

energetic accounting. We touched on it last week on the Collective Imagination show. Yeah, 

if the game is over, it's time to balance the books. It's our energetic balancing of the books. 

Now everybody is at a choice point.

Brian: This is probably a good, I'm sorry Lisa, you were still going there.

Lisa: Go ahead, go ahead. You're obviously chomping at the bit. (chuckle)

Brian: Well, no, I wanted to talk about the Treason Tracker thing, because I don't think it's 

been addressed since last week. About how the connotation behind Treason Tracker, it kind 

of implies that we're taking it into our own hands to enforce liability. It's just had a really 

negative energy behind it. When we brought it up to Heather, we kind of all tossed it around. 

We realized that it's one thing to not want to let certain individuals get away with crimes 

against humanity, but it's another thing to create our own FBI's most wanted list. It uses the 

same energy; it reciprocates the same kind of energy that perpetuated the situation to begin 

with.

The energetic accounting is a great way to kind of recourse that idea. Everything is being 

kept track of on a higher level. There's no deed that goes past the point of getting through 

the Akashic Records and getting through Absolute Data. Now, what we don't know yet is 

how is energetic accounting enforced, but in my personal opinion, that's not necessarily for 

us to particularly spend or divulge a whole lot of energy on, because it's gonna get 

accounted for one way or another. It's not necessarily up to us to try to be the enforcers, 

because that's not our role.  So, I don't know if that answers that. We're not abandoning the 

project; we're abandoning the energy of Treason Tracker. We want people to know that are 

out there that if they make moves that are going to cause harm to others, that there's people 

that are going to be watching and noticing and that it's going to be out in the open for 

everybody to see.

(talk over)

Lisa: That's very 3D level, though. I think your question initially was in the ...

Tamara (caller): My question was not really regarding that, but I do appreciate that 

information. Thank you. My question really is at this point, in our souls forgive the past of 

what has been anchored in the dark? Is this a reset, so at this point forward this is what 

counts if there is any sort of harm that comes to anybody else? What I'm trying ot ask is are 

we resetting the clock and wiping the slate clean? That's my question.

Lisa: I think so and I think that those who make a choice ot continue, are now making a 

conscious choice knowing the consequences energetically. They're doing it knowingly. Go 

ahead, Thomas.

Thomas: Heather is online. I just saw her (inaudible) under Skype. So you may able to get 

her now.

Lisa: Oh, great.

D: I've had Heather on twice now for 30 seconds each time. I'm going to try and pull her in.

(silence)

Lisa: Does that answer your question more?

Tamara (caller): Yeah, I think so.

Lisa: I think we're all at a point now, whether we're realizing it consciously yet or not, that 

we are making choices from this point on. That goes for all of us.  No matter what role 

we've previously played in the game.

Thomas: I just want to say something about that. To me the word forgive is like 

foreknowledge is forearmed. Foreknowledge means that you had knowledge before the 

actual event and forearmed means you are armed before you needed ot be armed. The only 

way the word forgive can really apply is if you forgive yourself, because you're the one that 

did it.

Lisa: Well also, to me the word forgive implies that they did something wrong. Now did 

they do something wrong or were they just playing the role that we agreed that they should 

play?

Thomas: I think that they were just playing the role.

Lisa: So to forgive someone implies that there was a wrong done. Maybe they didn't do a 

wrong. Maybe they just played their role absolutely as scripted. (inaudible)

(talk over)

Chris: As you point out, they're off script now.

Lisa: They're off script now! That's it. Yes!

Chris: If anyone out there hasn't read it, the filing that's actually posted on Les's home page 

on her website, is the final filing from December 10 last year, which clearly ends that part 

of our history. So, as Lisa said, the actions of individuals now are assuming different 

energetic proportions. Really, we should at this stage be looking at a future free of false 

flag events or wars, etc. Because the influence of these folks should actually have gone by 

now. You can all look around you and see it may appear to have softened, but it's not gone. 

I think that's pretty realistic. All we can say to those people is "Wake up; it's actually time 

to end this process so we can all move on".

Lisa: Thank you, Tamara, for the call too.

Bob: Yeah, something that we can look at is the law of balance is always in effect. So 

instead of forgiving them or holding them accountable, just look at it and give them a 

choice. they have free will choice as much as we do. Allow them to balance. Allow them to 

balance what they have done.

Brian: I think that really the underlying answer to all of this is that the answer to all 

questions really. I have a bracelet that I wear that says "Love is the answer. Love is the 

way." If we just love each other. I realize that's a hard thing to do when you take into 

consideration some of the things that have been done, but trying to go toe-to-toe or fist-to-

fist with people that you feel have wronged you is never gonna solve any problems. It only 

perpetuates negative energy. If we just love each other no matter what, as sparks of the 

infinite, as all being one, as all part of the same Creator, then ultimately everything will end 

up taking care of itself in the long run anyways. 

Thomas: Speaking on that, you can change the way you look at love, is that realizing that 

love is an acronym. L-O-V-E is living one vibration everywhere. When somebody goes to a 

comedy routine and everybody in the auditorium is laughing, guess what? They're all living 

the same vibration. Everywhere in that auditorium. So, let's quit looking at love as something 

that goes on between a man and a woman or anything like that. let's start looking at it as an 

acronym and let's all start living one vibration everywhere.

Brian: BE love.

Tamara (caller): I just want to say thank you for expressing how you felt about that. That's 

exactly the way that I feel as well. It's the frequency that I vibrate on as well. Because I 

think also our energy can be used in a way that could get the CVACs up and running and 

actually get these projects up and running. People start focusing on that, everything else is 

just going to be ignored and it will go away. I mean not always, but the majority of it. 

People will see we're having fun over here. You want to join us here versus going over there 

where it sucks.

(talk over)

Brian: It's much more fun over here. This is fun.

Tamara (caller): Exactly! Who doesn't want to have fun? i just want to say thank you and I 

will (inaudible) out now. Thank you.

Brian: We love you.

Lisa: Thank you Tamara. Okay, we'll try and get through as many questions as we can in the 

next 15 minutes. Heather keeps popping on and off and it's literally for a few seconds at a 

time. It's not working. Area code 206?

Caller: Yes.

Lisa: Yes, hello. What was your name?

Caller: My name is Tyrone.

Lisa: Hi Tyrone. How are you?

Tyrone (caller): I'm all right and you?

Lisa: We're really good, mate. Do you have a question?

Tyrone (caller): Yes. My question kind of got answered a little bit, but I was just wondering 

like once you send your Courtesy Notices in and they reply back and their reply is "well, no, 

you still have to pay this or that and no, we're not a foreclosed entity". I've even had one 

person even said they're willing to go to court and say that that's not true, what I sent them 

on the Courtesy Notice.

Lisa: That's not surprising, really. They haven't bothered to look into it at all.

Chris: Yeah, we're getting a lot of that reaction, Tyrone. People who don’t even start 

researching it. What you need to do is send them the invoices, because they've triggered 

contract. If you feel like putting in a covering letter, just point out that these filings stand in 

law and that they better take it seriously and do their research. Okay? The system is built to 

resist any attempt for these slaves, that's us, to not pay the slave-masters their due. So, you 

really need to send them their invoices straight away promptly and a cover letter saying 

"This is serious. Please do your research. UCC law is the dominant commercial law on the 

planet."  The only thing they could possibly do is rebut the filings. So suggest to them they 

better do some research and work out how to do that if they want to have any success with 

you.

Tyrone (caller): One more question. So when the banks say that, that’s how I need to reply 

to the banks also, right?

Chris: Yes, it’s the same reply. They’re all foreclosed.

Tyrone (caller): And the IRS?

Chris: Yep. All of them. They’re all corporations.

Tyrone (caller): Okay.

Chris: All of them.

Lisa: The process is the same, no matter which corporation you’re dealing with. Thank you 

Tyrone for your question. We’re going to try and get through as many as we can.

Tyrone (caller): I want to thank everyone for everything they’ve done.

Lisa & Brian: Thank you man.

Lisa: Okay we’ve got… hang on, hasn’t unmuted… there we go, area code 646.

Caller: Hi there!

Lisa: Hi there! What was your name?

Caller: It’s Rick. How are you.

Lisa: Hi there Rick. What can we do for you?

Rick (caller): This is a really good discussion tonight, and again like the other callers, I just 

want to say that one of the reasons that I keep listening is that you people vibrate with such 

love, with such integrity, with such patience; ou’re here every week, that’s what really 

brings me back, and I’m just hungry for more information and more knowledge, and just to 

hear your voices. I feel like I’m getting to know you people. But, my question is; we’ve 

been talking a lot tonight about loving people, forgiving people, and we’ve also called them 

slave-masters here and there. It came to mind that it’s kind of like a chess game. If you’re 

having this nice chess game with someone, who say is your former slave-master, and we put 

the clever person in front, like say, Heather. She’s playing chess against a slave-master of 

the world, and she cleverly…the slave-master into checkmate, and then goes “Checkmate”. 

That should be that, right? According to how you’re saying that it’s now going to work out 

and work and everything. But I’m thinking the slave-master is a psychotic son of a bitch that 

is going to kick the chess board up into the air and start stuffing chess pieces down her throat!

(Group laughter)

Brian: When you lose at chess, it’s doesn’t mean he/it doesn’t lose anymore. He’s still lost no 

matter how many pawns he’s swallows down.

Bob: You know I liken it to; if you’re watching a play, and the villain, and you’ve got the 

heroines, and they’re fighting each other, and whoever wins, wins when the final curtain 

ends, but they keep on fighting. That’s what it means to me to be “off script”. The play is 

over, but some people are still fighting and still playing their role even though the curtain’s 

gone down.

Lisa: (talk over)… but it’s still going on.

Chris: I question…

Rick (caller): My question then is this: and I see you, I feel you people really BE’ing. 

Heather always talks about DO’ing and BE’ing. I moved to the country from New York City 

about a year ago just so that I could get away from all the frenzy and everything. Now I go 

back in there and I just see these people that are just so plugged in to everything. I just want 

to kind of move away from it rather than confront it, or even muster up the patience to try to 

deal with it. So what’s the nice, sweet spot? What’s a nice sweet spot of DO’ing and BE’ing 

with people who are “off script”?

(Group giggling)

Chris: Information. The reason they’re still behaving in that frenetic manner is they just don’t 

have the information yet. It’s coming, and it will get to them, and you won’t miss it when it 

does, but that’s the difference between where you are at and where they’re at, is the 

information that you are open to that they’re not.

Scott: I think that’s the important part. You’ve got the memo; they haven’t.

Chris: Indeed.

Lisa: That’s all.

Brian: Yeah.

Chris: As far as the system itself, the system has a tremendous amount of momentum, but I 

can feel it winding down. Are you hearing about Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria now? Not really. 

They’re stuff that’s just kind of winding down; nothing is really happening. Nothing new is 

happening; the financial system’s just kind of suspended there on smoke and mirrors. I can 

see the chess pieces might have fallen on the floor, but they’re all just kind of rolling to a 

stop now.

Lisa: Thank you, Rick for calling in and for your questions. We’re going to quickly move 

on. Let’s see how many more we can get to, but thank you very much.

Rick (caller): You’re welcome.

Lisa: Okay, we have area code 606. Area code 606?

Caller: Hello?

Lisa: Hello! What was your name?

Brian: Hello.

Caller: My name is Mark. I have a question. Now the Fed is supposed to be no more. There 

was a hundred year contract with them and they were supposed to be dissolved in December. 

I didn’t file my taxes last year. I’ve got an appointment tomorrow because unfortunately I’m 

going through a bankruptcy, and I was told that I need to file. So I’m just a little confused. 

I’m kind of new to this, but why does the IRS have this power yet over the citizenry? Or do 

they?

Brian: Well, they sure are…

Lisa: They don’t.

Brian: No, they don’t. They’re good at creating the illusion that they still have that power 

over the citizenry, or the people. But that’s just because the people are still in a place where 

they don’t all know yet and they’re complying. If everybody, all at the same time, became 

aware that the IRS is no more, they’re part of the system that has been foreclosed on. Well, 

they would lose all their force, and they would lose all their power. So it’s up to everybody 

to decide at this point when they come to decisions like that, what they chose to do. Because 

what we can’t do is give anybody any legal advice and tell people “this is what you need to 

do and how you should handle it”. But at this point it’s up to you whether or not you decide 

to comply while we’re waiting for the whole house of cards to come tumbling down publicly.

Mark (caller): Uh huh, but see I…

Lisa: … Still stick to your meeting, that’s what I would do. But it’s not legal advice. I’m 

just telling you what I would do under the circumstance.

Mark (caller): You say you would wait?

Lisa: I know I would… well, if you’re meeting’s tomorrow did you say?

Mark (caller): Yeah, right.

Lisa: Yeah. You could take a Courtesy Notice along with you, and hand that over before 

you even sit down and have a discussion with them. But that’s, again, I’m just saying that’s 

not legal advice. All I can do is give you what I would do under that circumstance.

Mark (caller): You understand I’m a little concerned about signing this form. And of course 

my…

Lisa: It’s just a piece of educational material and an offer from you to them to contract. It’s 

up to them whether or not they wish to accept that offer. They’ve presented you an offer; 

that’s all they’ve really done. They’ve presented you an offer to come in and go through an 

arrangement where you’ll pay them some money.

Mark (caller): Right. Well see I’ve been asking my lawyer to file before the bankruptcy is 

filed. So I wasn’t going to file at all. I wasn’t going to file this year anyway either, because 

I’m trying to let them die.

Chris: Yeah, we don’t want to give the system any more value by continuing to participate 

with it. This is where the rubber meets the road. It’s that moment where you’ve got to make 

a decision where the two actually stand in the space that’s been provided by the OPPT’s 

actions.

Bob: Mark, if you do a little research, you’ll find that the IRS was illegal from the get-go. 

That was always something that was by consent and there is no law that requires you.

Lisa: Just remember that what they’ve sent you was an offer. They just make it look like a 

demand.

Bob: Right.

Brian: Yep.

Mark (caller): Right, except, like I said I’m being asked by my bankruptcy lawyer to file. 

So now I feel like I’m caught between a rock and a hard place. Either I, you know, so… 

okay…

Lisa: Guys, we’ve only got 60 seconds left. We will go overtime. You won’t hear it if 

you’re just listening on Blogtalk. If you’ve called in, you’ll continue to hear the program, 

but you’ll be able to hear whatever happens after this on the recording, if you go back and 

listen to it. That will be available within five minutes of us actually finishing the show. But I 

know we’re going to lose a lot of you in the next few seconds, but if you’ve called in you’ll 

be able to hear the rest of the show. Thank you very much Mark. I hope we’ve been able to 

give you some guidance there.

Mark (caller): Yes you have. I want to say thank you to all of you.

Lisa: No, thank you.

Brian: Thank you.

Bob: Thank you.

Mark (caller): Goodnight.

Lisa: We will try to get to as many of these people as we can; they’ve been holding on for 

quite some time.

Mark (caller): You’re right, okay thank you!

Lisa: Thank you. Everyone joining in tomorrow or tuning in tomorrow for the Collective 

Imagination show, obviously we didn’t get Heather today, but we’ll hopefully have her tomorrow.

Brian: Namaste.

Lisa: Area code 818.

Caller: Is that me?

Lisa: That's you, yes. What's your name?

Caller: I'm in southern California. Hello?

Brian: Yeah, hello.

Caller: Yeah, I was reading all the documents. I'm sorry, I have a heavy accent.

Lisa: That's okay, I can understand you. What's your name?

Caller: Melva.

Brian: Hi Melva.

Melva (caller): Hi. How are you? I've been reading all the documents from Courtesy 

Notice(?). I haven't already sent them to the bank, because I have a mortgage. My question 

is because I don't have a name of the person to send it to at the bank, so what should I do? 

Should I just say the name of the bank?

Lisa: No, you do want to get it to an individual. If you go on to, what's that website? There 

is a website, I'm trying to think of the name of it, that will actually give the name, at the 

very least, of the CEO or the CFO.

Bob: The Better Business Bureau, I think.

Lisa: The Better Business Bureau.

Melva (caller): Oh, should I send it to the CEO?

Lisa: If you can't find the name of an individual lower down...

Melva (caller): They won't give me their names.

Lisa: Yeah, I know. They rarely do. So, at the very least, you can go straight to the CEO or 

the CFO. Their name you should be able to get.

Chris: The other thing you'll find is that banks almost always have websites with some 

details of senior officers. 

Melva (caller): I did find out, this is at Citi and this is a huge bank. I did find out who is the 

CEO.

Lisa: Okay, well that's your best bet then if that's the only name you can get. It's not 

uncommon for them to not give out any details out at all.

Chris: If you want to go lower down, I would actually call the bank and start asking ofro 

various managers, if you would like to go lower down. You will get a name eventually, but 

through the sorts of people who take specific calls. They're trained to not give their names 

and that's actually unlawful for them to do that. They're trying to avoid liability. You will 

eventually get a name.

Thomas: I just want to say something to her as well. If they don't cooperate with your 

Notice, it's time to go down there and give them some chingossels.

Melva (caller): (laughs) Really?

Thomas: Why not?

Lisa: All right. Thank you, Melva. We''ll keep moving on. Okay, we have area code 860.

Caller: Am I on?

Lisa: Yes, you're on. What was your name?

Caller: I wanted to say I love all you people. I am so into what you're doing. I'm right there 

with you. Can you hear me?

Lisa: Oh, we hear you.

Brian: We can.

Caller: I'm a carpenter. If I was going to end up anywhere, I'd be in a building and trades 

CVAC. In the trades industry, a lot of it is specialization. In other words, you've got siting 

guys, you've got sheetrock guys, you've got electricians, you've got plumbers, blah blah blah. 

You touched earlier on looking forward to what we should do with the CVACs and stuff like 

that. I'm so excited.

I think as far as the show is concerned, like this show tonight, what you my have to do or 

may I suggest, if we could have a show every night that specializes in something like 

somebody has questions on letters or whatever. Separate things, so like on Wednesday 

nights we're going to be talking about this and so on and so forth. I also want to mention that 

if you can have like a guest on, sort of like Peter Joseph or Jacque Fresco or Roxanne 

Meadows, that would be awesome. I can't wait till they get on board with this, because I'm 

dying to hear what they have to say. I have a whole laundry list of this stuff to talk about 

and I’m not gonna use up all your time. Look, if you could just elaborate on that a little, I’d 

appreciate it.

Brian: On whether we can do shows every night? Are you volunteering to be a host for all 

the other nights of the week?

Caller: I’m not as eloquent as you guys. (Laughter) I’m a numbers guy, I’m a carpenter 

(Laughter) but I would.

Lisa: We’ve heard the call. We’ve been (garbled) a lot lately. The people want more than 

two shows a week. It’s just simply a matter of time that’s available (garbled) each of us. 

We’re looking into it.

Caller: Yeah, it’s overwhelming. We all have to get involved with this and I’m there, I’m 

there, I’m ready, I’m ready to go. Whatever I can do; if you want me to bang a nail, I’ll 

bang a nail.

Lisa: Thank you so much (Laughter) That’s a beautiful thing. Put your name down.

Brian: We’ll put your name down here for the OPPT ground crew Nail Bangers…perfect…

all right, cool. (Laughter)

Chris: I just want to insert a comment. Lisa wasn’t kidding when she said she wants to 

clone herself. One of the plans we have is if…well not actually physically…but she just 

wants people as motivated about it as she is around her helping her do what she does. As 

soon as the CVAC System becomes available, that will all spring into life simply because 

we’ll have some resources and people can give up their jobs if they want to and throw in 

and help, and that’s coming.

Caller: Yeah, see that was another thought of mine was like, I’m a sub-contractor. I’ve been 

on the fringe of society for quite a while and say if someone wanted to quit their job and 

get into a CVAC, say like building a trade CVAC to start implementing different progresses 

or whatever. How would they be able to survive financially as far as food, clothing and 

shelter, communications and transportation’s concerned?

Lisa: You’ll actually be given access to all of your own assets…(many talking at once)…

equity.

Brian: Yeah. That’s what the CVAC does; it’s Creations Value Asset Center, so it can be 

used to make sure all of your needs are. First and foremost, your basic living needs and then 

however far you want to take that. So that’s what a CVAC is: it allows you the resources to 

be able to do the things you wanna do without having to worry about paying the bills.

Caller: Yeah. That’s great, that’s a great thing because I’m ready to leave the old system, 

the PTB whatever. Also I wanted to mention another good idea as far as setting up the 

CVACs. Forward thinking is like, Occupy Wall Street has the general assembly where a 

voice from inner city Chicago, from the slums…if he’s got a great idea it’s as valuable as 

everybody else’s idea. You don’t have to come from any, certain kind of pedigree or 

financial stratification or anything like that; everybody’s thoughts are equal. That’s really 

important too, is to set up like...all these ideas though, we have to bring them together; 

they’re all just fantastic.

Brian: That’s happening right now on a much larger scale than you might be able to understand at this 

moment. One really important aspect of all this to understand is that the OPPT and everything that’s been going on behind the scenes has been a development that’s been going on for many years. So there’s all sorts of people that are working behind the scenes to roll out all sorts of fascinating new projects, inventions, free energy; the list goes on and on and on and on. It’s just not out in the open yet, but once it is it’ll explode. By all means, you’ll have plenty of access to get involved with all sorts of fascinating projects all around the world, globally; that’s what’s coming right now.

Caller: Yeah. I’ll tell you it’s something to look forward to because we can transform this place so quick. Like someone mentioned earlier about just getting food out to Africa within a…it’s amazing what the human spirit is capable of.

Chris: What you have to remember too is…whereabouts are you now in the U.S.?

Caller: Connecticut.

Chris: Connecticut, okay. You’re sitting in a country with no borders ‘cause all the corporations that ran 

the country are gone and there are no countries because all the governments are gone. (Laughter) There’s nothing but us here and the whole concept of  having to produce passports to move from place to place is just gonna fade away as the old system fades away. Boy, do I look forward to that.

Caller: Everyplace on the globes, because they all have borders on them. Now we’re gonna have to place CVACs on them, so we’re gonna need someone to build new globes.

Chris: Look, yeah, that’s what they’ve got museums for the old ones. That’s okay, it’s all history.  But you could get globes that’ve just got the land masses on them, so let’s use those.

Lisa: Alright guys, we’re gonna keep moving.

Caller: I’ll let you go, I don’t wanna take up everybody else’s time but thank you…

(Many talking at once)

Brian: Yeah, thank you.

Caller: Thank you very much.

Lisa: Okay, we have Prince who made such an impact at the end of last week’s show back on. Prince, 

hang on sorry, not me, not un-muting him. Prince, you there?Prince: Yes, I’m here. How’s it going everybody?

All: We’re good/we’re going good/we can hear you man.

Prince: Alright, I’ll be kinda choppy and everything. I’ve been listening to the show all night, kinda  on 

and off, kinda how Heather’s bouncing on and off the internet and whatnot. I think I may have lost you 

guys now, but…hello?

(Many talking at once)

Prince: Okay, see? That’s what I’m talking about, sounds a little choppy, but anyway I feel that the 

compelling energy that just is resonating all over the world right now, I mean I can feel it in the silence that just was...it’s like I wanna say everything that was already said. You know what I mean? These last few calls have all culminated into this moment of this awakening that’s gonna continue to just spark; every mind across the world one by one. It’s just magnificent. You know what? I feel it, it’s like that tingly feeling when your leg starts to wake up; it’s that magnificent epiphany that just comes from the being of consciousness. It’s just so…the awakening, it’s here. There’s nothing I can even say, there’s no question…I’m on board, I’m waiting for the CVACs to come into fruition. I’m ready for them to just drop. Nothing…it’s like the pyramids…I’m ready, let’s go.

Lisa: Yeah, we all are, we’re all ready. And Heather’s (garbled) on the finer details (many talking at 

once)

Brian: Thanks Prince, layin’ it down my man.

Prince: Thank you guys

Lisa:  (Garbled) I’ll leave your mike open Prince and we’ll just move on to the next person.

Thomas: Before you do that, I just wanna say bye. I’m gonna sign off, so bye bye everybody.

(Many talking at once: goodbyes)

Prince: Like always, peace.

Lisa: We have, what’s showing up is area code 111.

Brian: (In awed voice) God?

Lisa: 111…1111 in fact, so if you’re in the queue and you’ve put your hand up, please just say hi, it may be you. Hellooo?

Caller: Hello. Because my telephone is not shown, maybe that’s why, it’s 111.

Lisa: What was your name?

Caller: Yes, my name is Edina (?) and I just want to ask a (garbled) when the show is usually, when the 

show time is coming, when usually? Every day?  Or not every day?  What time the show is running?

Lisa: This show is on every week, depending on where you are; it’s either Monday evening at…Bob, 

what’s the U.S. times?

Brian: It’s on Mondays, Pacific Time…7 o’clock Eastern.

Edina (caller): 7 o’clock Eastern.

Lisa: 7 o’clock Eastern.

Edina (caller): 7 till 9 Eastern or when?

Brian: Correct. Till 9.

Lisa: We are running over; they tend to give us that little bit extra if we need it. But that’s it, once a week and the following day we have The Collective Imagination show which is one hour later.

Brian: So it starts at 5 Pacific, 8 o’clock Eastern.

Edina (caller): 8 o’clock Eastern. The telephone for that show would be different, right?

Lisa: Yes. If you go to the Blogtalk channel, you’ll find the call-in number for it. They’re different each 

time. Did you actually have a question Edina?

Edina (caller): Yes, I do have a question. I don't know how to (inaudible), but I have an 

unbelievable situation. When somebody who is killed(?) for (inaudible) their country, My 

husband is American, born in America, and he bought, in the middle of his life, with me 

together a house. Between 15 years we paid mortgages, never were late. We paid taxes. We 

developed the property, put retirement money  and we're going to retire there. All of the 

sudden next to us bought an immigrant from small countries (inaudible) and he demanded 

openly that he was going to take all our land. We are supposed to give it to him as a gift. 

First the fire department was involved, a delivery for him. The department of building 

approved him build. Then, police department okay him to beat us up, to take our lives.

Finally we went to court and in the court (inaudible) judge by building (inaudible). He is 

granting practical our property to this person. All our requests and motions for injunctions, 

early (inaudible) injunctions, all of it denied. He practically denied even motions which 

never had a hearing, without anyone's presence. So he is going wild. In court they are 

abused, they are (inaudible), the clerk of his (inaudible) is acting like an advocate for the 

Estonian immigrant. So if he doesn't show up, it's automatically adjourned without any 

agreement from us. We are practically victimized everywhere he goes. We went to local 

government, (inaudible) build your plaza in New York City (inaudible).

Then on February of last year, it was two policemen on our property and they arrest us, 

frame us, to go to jail for seven years. Things got to (inaudible) to security (inaudible) and 

this show that we didn't do anything wrong. Our case was dismissed, but policemen, all 

policemen, sergeant, the policemen they never got punished. So, (inaudible) needed us to go 

to jail and take our property,our home, our money. He was actually right there and he was 

watching how we were performing that. He never was questioned. He also stated in the 

report that he saw that we were killing police officers, which never happened. So nobody 

ever punished him or anyone else. One of the policemen were sent to jail for one night 

(inaudible). So, we practically getting destroyed. (inaudible) thousand dollars stolen by that 

(inaudible), one or (inaudible) after another (inaudible), take the money and gone. This 

Estonian is just laughing to our faces. He is (inaudible) to take us over. I'm sure he doesn't 

pay that big fine to take us over. Who's behind him? Who we should send...

Lisa: Sorry, can I just interrupt for a second? What is this person's claim on your property?

Edina (caller): No, he's not claiming; he's demanding that we must give it to him, our land. 

(inaudible)

(talk over)

Edina (caller): (inaudible) on nothing. Based he's such a great person. He's (inaudible) to 

(inaudible) and we are garbage. We're not even humans. It's all on the basis that he's 

demanding it. So, wherever we go...

Lisa: This is actually getting traction in a court?

Edina (caller): It's everywhere...in the court, in the local government offices. They say it's a 

civil matter. It's not civil matter. We looked at penal court, at penal law of United States 

and New York State precisely and penal law of United States, none of those laws are 

meeting(?) to behave like that. Matter of fact, for this kind of behavioral, this taking over 

anything above $50,000, people goes to jail, supposed to go to jail, for 20 or more years. 

So, it's a severe crime. He's a danger to us. (inaudible - talk over)

Lisa: Sorry. I know this is an important story to hear, but we're running on borrowed time at 

the moment. Did you actually want to pose a question? Or are you just telling your story?

Edina (caller): Yes, the question is whom do I send the Notice (inaudible)? (inaudible - talk 

over)

Lisa: (inaudible) ... the police officer, the neighbor, everybody that's had any involvement in 

this so far should receive one.

Edina (caller): So, everyone, to send it, right?

Lisa: Yep.

Chris: Yep, everybody involved.

Lisa: Everybody involved.

Edina (caller): Okay. So this is my question. You answered it. But maybe you keep in mind 

my story for the future. Maybe you give me sometime in the future some other suggestions?

Chris: You can take it further than the Courtesy Notice. Given you're in a fairly extreme 

position, you might have to do that. But I would certainly put out Courtesy Notices to 

everybody that you've encountered in this...well, it's just a ridiculous situation that you're in.

Edina (caller): Yeah, it's ridiculous, but it's almost costing us a lot. we're traumatized so 

much that you would not believe.

Chris: I can hear it.

Lisa: No, I can believe. Thank you for calling in and sharing your story. It's these sort of 

stories we need to see an end to; all of them. Thank you very much for calling in.

Chris: Can I just say one thing? On the back of the instructions for the Courtesy Notice, 

there is a diagram at the very back page. It describes the Courtesy Notice process. At the 

bottom of the page, it describes the UCC filing process, if you have to take it further. If you 

really want to apply pressure to these people to leave you alone, you may have to use this 

process, that the diagram at the bottom of the page describes. But go through the entire 

Courtesy Notice process first.

Edina (caller): Yes. Thank you so much.

Lisa: Thank you so much. That was horrible. I'm so sorry to hear that story.

Chris: I'm just appalled to hear that's going on. It's just outrageous.

Lisa: Okay, we've got area code 843?

Caller: Yes. Hello, this is Desiree. How are you guys doing?

Lisa: Yes.

Chris: Good.

Desiree (caller): I wanted to know whether places like One Main Financial and like title 

places, are all those places foreclosed?

Lisa: Yes. They're banks, yes?

Desiree (caller): It's like Title Max corporation and I think One Main used to be Citi 

Financial. Whenever I'm sending them the Courtesy Notices, they're basically saying they'll 

do whatever it takes, like they have to go to court. They'll do whatever it takes, because we 

still have to pay them.

Chris: Send them an invoice.

Desiree (caller): The thing with Title Max, they will come and get the vehicles.

Chris: Are you guys understanding that?

Lisa: No.

Chris: Can you repeat the question?

Desiree (caller): Like with Title Max policies, in the contract, they're saying if you don't 

pay the their ticket or whatever, that they'll come and repossess the vehicle.

Chris: Okay. Remember earlier in the show we were talking about the actual contract that 

we're setting up; right back at the start of the show. You might need to go back and listen to 

that again; it's in the first half hour of the show. We can't stop them from taking action. 

What we're offering them is our terms and conditions, if they take an action. So if they 

come and try to remove their property, you'll see there are terms and conditions, which you 

will base your invoice to them upon. If you look at the actual fees involved, you might have 

a $50,000 car, but they're going to personally get an invoice for probably $100-$150,000 

dollars if they come and take your vehicle. You need to point that out to them, that they are 

going to be personally invoiced.

Bob: Don't wait until they take your car, even if they threaten to take your car, either by 

phone call or correspondence or letter. If they threaten to take your car, then you send them 

an invoice.

Chris: Immediately. There are plenty of terms and conditions you'll find can apply. You 

generate very large invoices with the way that they're set up. That's the key to actually 

discouraging them from taking that action, because it's the individuals that are liable.

Lisa: Does that answer your question, Desiree?

Desiree (caller): Yes, that will be all. Thank you guys very much.

Lisa: Thank you Desiree. Okay, we're going to try to get through two more, guys.

Brian: I gotta jump, guys. I just wanted to say goodbye to everybody. I love you guys. 

Until next time, which I guess is tomorrow. Cheers. Bye.

Lisa: Okay, area code 320.

Caller: 320, that's me. Can you hear me?

Lisa: Yes, I can. What was your name?

Caller: My name is Chase.

Lisa: Hey, Chase.

Chase (caller): While I'm visualizing the CVAC coming in to manifestation and these 

assets becoming available, I understand that it's my own innate value as a BE'ing, but I'm 

starting to visualize how that's going to translate into something the economy can actually 

trade and barter. So, I don't know if you know these details? Or if it's too far ahead? I'm 

thinking about preparing for a bank account or a bitcoin or another.

Lisa: We know details, but we don't know enough to put together a coherent picture as yet, 

without being sure that we're not misleading anybody in any way, because that's not what 

we're wanting to do, obviously. We do know that, for example, all of the current structures, 

financial structures that are available, have been looked at extensively. What's been found is 

that they all have the ability...they all have a back door, so to speak...they have the ability 

to be manipulated. None of them are suitable, because none of them offer absolute 

transparency and kind of firewall against any kind of manipulation or form of fraud.

Chris: They're not free from special interests, which is the people who like to sit in back 

rooms and manipulate situations because of those back doors and because the system 

around them is so corrupt.

Lisa: The whole thing about whatever financial system we end up with it needs to be 

incorruptible and it needs to be completely transparent. So we do know that that is what's 

being worked on as we speak. What the final result looks like, I can't tell you.

Chris: One thing I can say is that some distance down the track, the technological shift 

we're going to go through is...this sounds a touch weird, but it appears to be a fact that the 

exchange will actually be energetic. It will actually be real. That is us actually using our 

energy without representation, so there's no gold involved. There's no nominal digital 

currency involved. There's no nothing; that's down the track. In the interim, we'll probably 

be in part some kind of digitally transferrable token system in conjunction with whatever 

currencies still remain at that point in time out in general usage. So, for some time, it 

certainly won't be cashless and it won't be purely digital. Whether we ultimately go to a 

pure digital one before we go to pure energy exchange, I can't say. But the control of the 

CVAC is entirely up to us and it will depend on how we feel at that point. Given we've 

got a big transformation to go through before we even get there, it's a little difficult to say 

which way we'll go.

Lisa: Does that make any sense?

Chris: Did I make any sense with all that stuff?

Chase (caller): It does make sense. It reminds me of bitcoin. I've been looking into that a 

little bit. Have you heard of bitcoin?

Lisa: Yes we have.

Chris: Yes. I'm somewhat familiar with the digital currencies on the internet. Look, it may 

be the initial way we move value around. It may well look a lot like something like bitcoin, 

but it will be something that will be absolutely custom-built, because of the security 

problems with the old systems.

Chase (caller): Okay. Thank you.

Lisa: Okay. Thank you so much, Chase. We've only got one more, so let's see if we 

can't...oh, where's my mouse gone? (silence) Where has my mouse gone? (silence) Our 

last caller will be Dale.

Dale (caller): Hi!

Lisa: Hi!

Dale (caller): Hi, guys. Listen, this is Dale Benadum. Dale After Dark on the chat list.

Lisa: Hey, Dale!

Dale (caller): I'm real curious, because I kind of, Lisa, you commented on a show I did 

(inaudible - major distortion). I think I may have gotten my wires crossed. I kind of was 

picking up the tone that I may have said something out of turn about Lisa being a 

Rothschild. I wanted to set the record straight, because if you knew who I was you know 

that I'm operating in spirit and total love and light with creation (inaudible - talk over)

Lisa: I'll tell you exactly what I said if you didn't hear it. I did mention your show and I said 

that in the first few minutes you said you'd listened to one of our shows and that Heather 

had said something about being a blood relation to the Rothschilds. I said I'm not saying 

he's lying, I'm just saying he wasn't listening, because that's not what she said. I did say 

that you were actually saying it in a good light, meaning that there are people connected 

with the Rothschilds. There are people who are in the system who also want to change it 

and that was the message.

Dale (caller): Yeah, that was my message. Okay.

Lisa: I backed you up that that was the message.

Dale (caller): Yeah, well, I just want to go on record saying first and foremost, I love what 

you guys are doing.  I support you 200 percent, each and everyone of you. Bob, I really 

identify with you brother. We are all co-creators. We're all doing our little aspects, whatever 

that may be. In my show, that show I did, was taking what you guys had produced and 

putting it and showing (inaudible - breaking up) ... actually being our own co-creators. 

Operating not on a 3D realm, but creating a whole new world or sandbox, so to speak. Let 

them have theirs or kicking them out of this one and creating the kind of world that we 

want to live in. So, Heather, if you're listening, please understand I was only giving 

reference of what I heard she said. It doesn't mean...a name is a name that a lot of people 

are sensitive over, because they know of the history behind it. But I don't label people with 

names, I label them on the content of their character and what I'm feeling. I go off of heart 

feeling and she is definitely putting herself out there. I can only assume sometimes in harm's 

way. She is definitely, I feel, connected to spirit in a very big way and being very protected. 

(inaudible) every one of you that are doing what you're doing on a day-to-day basis and 

everybody else that's supporting this and getting in line. We all are creating the world we 

want to live in and I want to reiterate that. I commend and I applaud all of you because who 

knows? This may very well be the platform that's going to carry us into this next stage of 

human evolution. Hey man, you know what? The history books are being re-wrote. 

Wouldn't it be kind of neat that you guys were in it?

Lisa: We're all in it. (chuckle) We're all in it. Brilliant.

Chris: You too, Dale. You too.

(several talking at once)

Chris: Your support is fantastic. There's so much information flowing around, so some 

confusion is inevitable. We're just trying to keep everything as clean as we can, because if 

you ever get a chance to talk to Heather directly, she is completely transparent in everything 

she says and does. It's really quite a different experience in talking to her.

Dale (caller): Well, I'd love to have her on the show and you guys if time permits. I do my 

shows on Blogtalk on Saturday nights, 8 Central and I simulcast on Wolf Spirit Radio as 

well. I'd love to have you guys have that other platform if you'd like to put it together 

(inaudible). You get through to me on Blogtalk Radio messaging.

Lisa: Thank you so much, Dale. I'm glad you called in; I really am.

Dale (caller): I just wanted to clear that up, because I really felt bad. It was like "Oh my 

god, what did I do wrong?" (chuckle)

Lisa: Yeah. (chuckle)

Dale (caller): Geez. I have a knack sometimes. I think more than I can speak. I don't speak 

real well. I think faster than I speak and sometimes the words don't get transmitted onto the 

radio. I thought maybe that's what happened and it did. So, I wanted to clear that up.

Lisa: Thank you so much.

Dale (caller): Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clear that up.

Lisa: Guys, we've gone 30 minutes over. I'm surprised that Blogtalk's allowed us to have it. 

They haven't cut us off yet, so thank you so much for everybody hanging around for two and 

a half hours. It's a long time. There's always lots to talk about and always lots of questions. 

Tune in tomorrow for The Collective Imagination. Fingers crossed that Heather can join us 

and if she does, I know that there's a lot to talk about. If she doesn't, there's also a lot to talk 

about.  (chuckle) Either way, tune in tomorrow. Thanks Bob and Chris for hanging around 

all this time. Thanks to everybody else who joined us; questions, participating in chat room, 

you're all awesome. We will look into doing more shows. We will look into perhaps doing...

I'm not going to make any promises as yet, because I need to talk to the people that I'm 

going to ask to do this...maybe a show a week that's dedicated to just Courtesy Notices. Or 

maybe a show a week that's just dedicated to CVACS. These are the kind of ideas we can 

play with.

Chris: Indeed.

Lisa: So, we'll see what we can do. In the meantime, talk to you all tomorrow. Have a 

lovely evening, day, whatever's happening for you.

Chris: See you later guys.